Hanoi to Sapa

How to Get From Hanoi to Sapa

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ElaMaartenWritten by Ela · Reviewed by Maarten · Updated 1 week ago

Bus · Minivan · Train · Private Transfer

Sapa is a mountain town in Vietnam's far north, 253 kilometres (157 miles) from Hanoi. It's known for its terraced rice fields and the trekking routes through Hmong and Dao villages. The bus is the cheapest way to get from Hanoi to Sapa at $9.20 (242,000 VND), and it runs direct in 4h 55m - 6h 50m. The minivan costs more and takes about as long, and the train is slower again.

Distance from Hanoi to Sapa

Hanoi and Sapa are about 253 km (157 miles) apart, and the journey itself covers around 314 km by road. Depending on the option, the trip takes between 4h 45m and 8h 50m.

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4 ways to travel from Hanoi to Sapa

There are four ways to travel from Hanoi to Sapa. You can choose between the bus, minivan, train, and private transport. The journey takes 4h 45m–8h 40m and the quickest way is by minivan. If you're on a budget, the cheapest option is by bus with tickets starting at $9.20 (242,000 VND).

Bus14 companiesDirectDuration4h 55m+Pricefrom$9242,000 VND
Hanoi

Hanoi to Sapa by Bus

Interbuslines Sleeper Bus from Hanoi to Sapa
Interbuslines Sleeper Bus from Hanoi to Sapa (Source: BookAway)

Plenty of companies operate buses from Hanoi to Sapa daily.

The advantage of taking the bus is that they are direct. Most buses depart from Hanoi city centre and arrive at Sapa town centre, so you won’t have to worry about getting additional transfers.

If you want to save on accommodation, we recommend taking an overnight bus with Sao Viet. They depart late at night and arrive in Sapa around 06:00 in the morning.

Sapa Express and Good Morning Sapa are also good options. Although they arrive at Sapa in the middle of the night, the drivers allow passengers to stay and sleep on the bus until 06:00.

The bus trip from Hanoi to Sapa takes 4h 55m - 6h 50m.

Which bus to take?

There are 3 types of buses to choose from when travelling from Hanoi to Sapa. It’s a ride that takes 4h 55m - 6h 50m, so it’s important to pick one depending on your preferred level of comfort.

  • Sleeper Bus: The most basic, these usually come with sleeper bunks, blankets, as well as food & drinks. Rates start from $9.20 (242,000 VND).
  • VIP Cabin Bus: An upgrade to the sleeper bus, this comes with a cabin-style bunk with curtains that you can close for privacy. Fares are from $16 (410,000 VND).
  • Limo Bus: Airconditioned buses with reclining seats — an alternative if you don’t want sleeper bunks. Prices start from $12 (310,000 VND).

Departure and arrival station

Different companies have varying departure and arrival stations — usually, it's their own offices in Hanoi and Sapa.

We recommend booking with a company that offers the most convenient bus stations for you. Better yet, pick one that offers free hotel pickup and drop-off.

Bus schedule from Hanoi to Sapa

DurationPrice
6hKing Express BusSleeping204 Tran Quang Khai, HanoiKing Express Bus Sapa06:3021:30$9242,000 VNDTickets
6hSapa Dragon ExpressSleeping26 Hang Tre, Old QuarterCoffee FootBall07:0022:00$10265,000 VNDTickets
6hTBusSleeping8 Bat Su, Old QuarterTBUS Sapa Office06:5521:45$11285,000 VNDTickets
6hKadbusSleeping160 Tran Quang Khai, Hoan Kiem645 Durong Dien Bien Phu07:0022:00$11295,000 VNDTickets
6hLuxury Van LimousineTourist SleepingGroup Tour Hanoi office, Old Quarter582 Dien Bien Phu06:4507:0021:3022:00$12315,000 VNDTickets
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6hGreen Sapa BusSleeping164 Tran Quang Khai645 Durong Dien Bien Phu07:0022:00$12315,000 VNDTickets
5h15mSao Vang (Thai Binh)SleepingNoi Bai CrossroadSapa Bus Station09:1020:15$13340,000 VNDTickets
6hSapa Dragon ExpressVIP Cabin26 Hang Tre, Old QuarterCoffee FootBall07:0022:00$15390,000 VNDTickets
6hKing Express BusVIP Cabin204 Tran Quang Khai, HanoiKing Express Bus Sapa06:3021:30$15395,000 VNDTickets
6h30mHa Son Hai VanTourist Sleeping78 Tran Nhat Duat - 1st floorSapa Bus Station06:1008:1522:15$15405,000 VNDTickets
6hDuc Duong BusVIP Sleeping1 Nguyễn Hoàng, Mỹ Đình, Nam Từ Liêm, Hà Nội, Việt NamHey Sa Pa Hotel14:0023:00$16425,000 VNDTickets
6h50mSao VietVIP CabinSao Viet office Hanoi, Old QuarterSao Viet Sapa Office06:0007:0008:0009:0010:0011:00+9$17440,000 VNDTickets
6hKadbusVIP Cabin160 Tran Quang Khai, Hoan Kiem645 Durong Dien Bien Phu07:0022:00$17455,000 VNDTickets
5h30mGrouptourVIP CabinHanoi Noi Bai Airport (HANGrouptour office07:0008:0009:0010:0011:0012:00+7$18470,000 VNDTickets
6hTBusVIP Cabin8 Bat Su, Old QuarterTBUS Sapa Office06:5508:1509:1510:1513:1514:15+3$18470,000 VNDTickets
6h30mLuxury Van LimousineVIP CabinGroup Tour Hanoi office, Old Quarter582 Dien Bien Phu06:1007:1008:1009:1010:1011:10+10$18480,000 VNDTickets
5h25mSao VietVIP Cabin7 Pham Van Dong OfficeSapa Office06:0007:0008:0009:0009:0110:00+19$19490,000 VNDTickets
5h30mHoang Anh - Lai ChauSleepingNoi Bai CrossroadSapa Bus Station21:00$19510,000 VNDTickets
6h10mHoang Anh - Lai ChauSleepingMy Dinh Bus Station (Parking Lot 15Sapa Bus Station20:20$19510,000 VNDTickets
4h55mG8 OPEN TOURVIP Cabin105 Hoang Quoc Viet OfficeSapa Office07:0007:1511:0022:3022:4522:46+2$20530,000 VNDTickets
6hHa Son Hai VanRoyal Cabin677 Giai PhongSapa Bus Station05:1506:3008:4510:0011:3014:00+6$21550,000 VNDTickets
6hGreen Sapa BusVIP Cabin164 Tran Quang Khai645 Durong Dien Bien Phu07:0022:00$22580,000 VNDTickets
6h30mSapa Group BusVIP Cabin160 Tran Quang KhaiSapa Office06:4510:0022:01$29760,000 VNDTickets
4h55mG8 OPEN TOURVIP Cabin105 Hoang Quoc Viet OfficeTBUS Sapa Office14:30$35910,000 VNDTickets
5h25mSao VietVIP Cabin7 Pham Van Dong OfficeSapa Office23:00$35920,000 VNDTickets
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Booking Tip

It’s best to book your ride online beforehand through BookAway to get a better overview of bus schedules, rates, and departure & arrival points.
Sapa
Minivan9 companiesDirectDuration4h 45m+Pricefrom$17460,000 VND
Hanoi

Hanoi to Sapa by Minivan

Minivans offer a spacious and luxurious ride from Hanoi to Sapa. Some companies also offer free hotel pick-up if you’re staying within Hanoi’s Old Quarter.

Fares start at around $17 (460,000 VND). The minivan journey takes about 4h 45m - 6h, depending on traffic.

Minivan schedule from Hanoi to Sapa

DurationPrice
5h30mLuxury Van LimousineLimoGroup Tour Hanoi office, Old Quarter582 Dien Bien Phu06:4507:0007:3014:30$17460,000 VNDTickets
5h30mGrouptourLimoHanoi Noi Bai Airport (HANGrouptour office07:2007:4008:1015:10$18475,000 VNDTickets
5hEco Sapa LimousineVIPHanoi Opera HouseSapa Office06:4507:1507:3015:00$18480,000 VNDTickets
5h30mSapa Dragon ExpressVIP26 Hang Tre, Old QuarterCoffee FootBall07:0007:30$19495,000 VNDTickets
5h30mGreen Lion BusLuxuryGreen Lion Bus Office (B-BeerSapa - Any hotel in the city center06:30$19500,000 VNDTickets
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4h45mPhuc Lam LimousineVIPArrival hall E (1st floor) - Domestic Terminal T1 - Noi Bai International Airport139 Thach Son06:4507:4515:15$19510,000 VNDTickets
5h30mPhuc Lam LimousineVIPHa Noi City139 Thach Son06:0007:0014:30$19510,000 VNDTickets
6hKing Sapa TrainLimo8 P. Nha ChungMay Sapa Hotel06:3007:30$21540,000 VNDTickets
6hGreen Sapa BusLimo164 Tran Quang Khai645 Durong Dien Bien Phu06:30$21560,000 VNDTickets
5hEco Sapa LimousineLimoHanoi Opera HouseSapa Office07:00$25660,000 VNDTickets
5h10mApril AdventureStandard164 Tran Quang Khai645 Durong Dien Bien Phu07:3015:30$27690,000 VNDTickets
5hEco Sapa LimousineLimoHanoi Opera HouseSapa Office07:01$28720,000 VNDTickets
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Sapa
Train12 companiesVia Lao CaiDuration8h 40m+Pricefrom$28730,000 VND
Hanoi

Hanoi to Sapa by Train

A 4-berth train cabin on the way from Hanoi to Sapa via Lao Cai
A 4-berth cabin in the train from Hanoi to Lao Cai

Sapa is a small hill town up in the mountains that doesn’t have its own railway station. If you want to travel by express train from Hanoi to Sapa, you’ll take the train to the closest railway station in Lao Cai. From Lao Cai, you can continue by van or bus to Sapa.

The total train journey from Hanoi to Sapa takes about 8h 40m - 8h 50m.

All trains depart at night, which is quite convenient as they allow you to get a good night’s sleep. Upon arrival in Sapa, you’ll have enough time to freshen up and get ready to join one of the many groups going on a trek, which usually starts around 08:00-08:30.

If you contact your hotel beforehand, you might be allowed to check in early and take a shower before setting off to see the beautiful Sapa.

PRO TIP: If you are short of time, you can book the night train back to Hanoi for the next day. When doing this, you can do one-day tour on the day of arrival (day 1), sleep one night in Sapa and do another day tour the next day (day 2). On the second day, you can take the night train back to Hanoi.
Hanoi

Step 1: Hanoi to Lao Cai by Train

7h 55m - 8h 5m$26 (680,000 VND)

The night train from Hanoi to Sapa departs from Hanoi Railway Station, a 20-minute walk or a 10-minute taxi ride from the Old Quarter. The easiest way to reach this train station is to order a Grab (taxi), which shouldn’t cost more than a few dollars.

Several trains depart at 22:00 every night. Others leave at 15:00 daily.

Once you arrive at the train station, you should enter on the western side (Tran Quy Cap). This is the platform when taking the train from Hanoi to Sapa.

Which train to book from Hanoi to Sapa?

There are many different companies you can book with when you travel by train from Hanoi to Sapa. They vary in comfort level, amenities offered, and of course, price.

Amenities differ per company — like the quality of mattresses, inclusion of free drinks and snacks, as well as the number of bunks per cabin.

See below a quick breakdown of train choices from Hanoi to Sapa.

  • Vietnam Railways offers the most basic options but the cheapest price. Fares start at $26 (680,000 VND) for a 1st class sleeper (4-berth cabin with soft bunks).
  • We think you get better value for money with a deluxe train, which has more comfy beds, a good pillow and free food & drinks. Rates start from $23 (610,000 VND) with Pumpkin Express.
  • Luxury trains offer an overall more luxurious ambience. But we don’t think they’re too different to the deluxe trains in terms of amenities. Fares start from $34 (890,000 VND) with Chapa Express, $27 (720,000 VND) with Livitrans Express, and $28 (720,000 VND) with Sapaly Express.
DurationPrice
7h55mNewLivitrans ExpressShared Cabin for 4HanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$26680,000 VNDTickets
8h5mViolette Express TrainShared Cabin for 4HanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$28720,000 VNDTickets
8hEt-PumpkinShared Deluxe Cabin for 4Hanoi Train StationLao Cai Train Station22:01$30780,000 VNDTickets
8h5mFanxipan Express TrainShared Cabin for 4Hanoi Train StationSapa Lao Cai Train Station22:00$30790,000 VNDTickets
7h55mOrient ExpressShared Cabin for 4HanoiSapa Lao Cai21:35$30790,000 VNDTickets
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8hKing Sapa TrainShared Suite Cabin for 4Hanoi Train StationSapa Lao Cai Train Station22:00$30790,000 VNDTickets
8hDamitrans ExpressShared Cabin for 4Hanoi Train StationSapa Lao Cai Train Station22:00$30790,000 VNDTickets
7h55mSapaly Express TrainShared Cabin for 4HanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$31800,000 VNDTickets
7h55mOrient ExpressShared Cabin for 4HanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$31810,000 VNDTickets
8h5mNew LivitransShared Cabin for 4Hanoi Train StationLao Cai Train Station22:00$31820,000 VNDTickets
7h55mChapa Express TrainShared Cabin for 4HanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$32850,000 VNDTickets
8hNew LivitransShared Deluxe Cabin for 4Hanoi Train StationLao Cai Train Station22:00$33850,000 VNDTickets
8h5mSapaly Express TrainLuxuryHanoi Train StationHai Ni Restaurant22:00$34880,000 VNDTickets
7h55mLaman ExpressShared Cabin for 4HanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$35920,000 VNDTickets
8h5mChapa Express TrainLuxuryHanoi Train StationLao Cai Train Station21:59$36940,000 VNDTickets
7h55mNewLivitrans ExpressCabin 2 XHanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$521,360,000 VNDTickets
7h55mNewLivitrans ExpressSuite 2 XHanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$601,580,000 VNDTickets
7h55mOrient ExpressFirst Class SleeperHanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$621,620,000 VNDTickets
7h55mSapaly Express TrainFirst Class SleeperHanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$651,720,000 VNDTickets
7h55mOrient ExpressVIP Double BedHanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$691,800,000 VNDTickets
7h55mLaman ExpressFirst Class SleeperHanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$701,820,000 VNDTickets
7h55mChapa Express TrainFirst Class SleeperHanoiSapa Lao Cai22:00$792,060,000 VNDTickets
7h55mEt-PumpkinVIP CabinHanoi Train StationLao Cai Train Station22:00$1102,900,000 VNDTickets
8hSapaly Express TrainVIP CabinTran Quy Cap Train StationHai Ni Restaurant22:30$1403,750,000 VNDTickets
8h5mChapa Express TrainVIP CabinHanoi Train StationLao Cai Train Station22:01$1604,200,000 VNDTickets

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Booking Tip

All deluxe, luxury and VIP trains depart from Hanoi at 22:00.

We recommend booking your tickets online through BookAway. Their site is intuitive, provides a clear picture of what you can expect, and offers great customer service. If you're eyeing the best deals, you might occasionally find slightly cheaper tickets on Baolau.

PRO TIP: You can also buy tickets from Hanoi Train Station. But note that the availability of soft bunks in the Hanoi-Sapa sleeper train is limited. You risk not being able to get a ticket for your desired train when you don’t book online in advance.
Lao Cai

Step 2: Lao Cai to Sapa by Van or Public Bus

45 minutes$1.50 (40,000 VND)
Get off the train at Lao Cai Railway Station, 35 km northeast of Sapa. From here, you can take either a van or a bus to get to Sapa town centre.

Option 1: Lao Cai to Sapa by Van

55m$8.20 (216,000 VND)

The van is a quick way to get to Sapa from Lao Cai. They don’t make unnecessary stops so the journey takes just around 55m. You can get a seat for around $8.20 (216,000 VND).

Vans are easily available outside the train station so you don’t need to book them in advance. Keep in mind the ticket price, some drivers tend to overcharge tourists. Also, most vans don’t leave until they are full.

You’ll be dropped off around the main square in Sapa, within walking distance of many hotels in town. You will also find a Lot of taxis here, and they can take you to your accommodation if it’s outside the town centre.

DurationPrice
55mGrouptourStandardLao Cai SSBSapa SSB00:0001:0002:0003:0004:0005:00+6$8216,000 VNDTickets

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Lao Cai

Option 2: Lao Cai to Sapa by Public Bus

1h 02m - 3h 20m$3.70 (96,000 VND)

The public bus from Lao Cai is a great way to kick off your Sapa adventure while travelling like a local. These buses are quite comfortable, although you might want to pay for an extra seat for your luggage if you’re carrying big bags.

Take Bus #1 when heading to Sapa. You can find the public (yellow-red) buses across the railway station, at the end of the parking area. Buses are available as early as 05:40 in the morning.

Buses depart every 20-30 minutes and will drop you off at Sapa Yellow Bus Station, near the Old Church. Note that these public buses make a Lot of stops so the journey will take at least 1h 02m - 3h 20m.

Be aware! Locals might tell you there is no public bus and point to a fake blue timetable next to the minivans. Don’t let them fool you and just continue to the end of the parking area.

Sapa
Private Transfer4 companiesDirectDuration5h 30m+Pricefrom$1203,150,000 VND
Hanoi

Hanoi to Sapa by Private Transfer

Private transfer from Hanoi to Sapa
Private transfer from Hanoi to Sapa (Source: BookAway)

If you’re travelling in a group, or if you want a direct ride from Hanoi Airport, you can also consider getting a private transfer.

Rates start from $120 (3,150,000 VND) for a 3-seater private transfer. Divide the cost and that’s just about $40 (1,040,000 VND) per person.

PRO TIP: The road to Sapa is safe when you travel with experienced local drivers. But we don’t recommend driving this route on your own if you’re not familiar with road conditions in Vietnam. In fact, very few companies will rent out a self-drive car to tourists.
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Standard Car 3 PAX
$120 (3,150,000 VND)
$40 (1,040,000 VND) per person
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SUV Car 5 PAX
$135 (3,500,000 VND)
$27 (700,000 VND) per person
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Standard Minivan 12 PAX
$205 (5,400,000 VND)
$17 (450,000 VND) per person
Hanoi VIP Transfer
SUV Car 5 PAX
$135 (3,600,000 VND)
$27 (720,000 VND) per person
Hanoi VIP Transfer
Standard Minivan 10 PAX
$230 (6,100,000 VND)
$23 (610,000 VND) per person
Green Sapa Bus
Limo Minivan 9 PAX
$165 (4,300,000 VND)
$18 (475,000 VND) per person
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Why are no trains available for booking in October, only buses?
MARIA ROSA · July 2022
Hi! Thanks for your post. It is really useful. I am trying to book a train for october, it says that there are no trains in the websites, just buses... Is it that it is still not published or something happened due to covid? Thank you for your help!
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Maarten: Hi Maria, thanks for making us aware of this. At the moment it seems like BookAway doesn't allow train bookings yet. In the meanwhile, you c

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Hi Maria, thanks for making us aware of this. At the moment it seems like BookAway doesn't allow train bookings yet. In the meanwhile, you can also book train tickets via this platform (booking.baolau.com). There website is a bit slow but it is known as one of the most trusted providers for train tickets in Vietnam. As you only travel in October, you still have a lot of time as bookings haven't opened yet. In the meanwhile, you can check out this blog post with tips for travelling by bus or train in Vietnam (geckoroutes.com).

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“I was traveling solo in the north of Vietnam and found this guide to Sapa quite useful. Thanks so much! Esp. the PRO TIps”

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Our favourite places to stay in Sapa

Here are our favourite places to stay in Sapa for every budget.

Budget

D&D Eco Lodge Sapa

There's no better way to wake up than opening your curtains to a stunning view over lush rice fields. Add a delicious breakfast to that, and you'll certainly be starting the day right. A stay at D&D Eco Lodge is an experience in itself. It might even turn out to be one of your best in Vietnam? And if you're travelling as a couple, this is likely to be one of the best value deals you can find.
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Treat Yourself

Eco Palms House – Mountain Retreat

Eco Palm House offers luxury bungalows with the most incredible views. You'll never want to leave your private balcony overlooking rolling hills and endless rice fields. Maybe their infinity pool with an equally spectacular view can convince you? You're guaranteed to leave this place feeling relaxed and rejuvenated.
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Little View Homestay Sapa

If you'd like to be near the centre of Sapa, Little View Homestay is a great choice. The private rooms boast a really unique design - they're covered top to bottom in pine wood. To add to the uniqueness of the place, instead of a traditional heating system, you'll have a heated blanket to keep you warm at night. The friendly owners and creative sapa style decorations will make this an extraordinary stay!
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Why Visit Sapa?

Sapa is a small village and popular tourist destination in northern Vietnam. Backdropped by spectacular rice terraces, the town boasts both natural and cultural beauty. Ethnic minorities make up over 80% of its population, and here you’ll get the chance to see and experience their traditional way of life.

Here you'll also find Fansipan, the highest mountain on the Indochinese peninsula and a great adventure if you're up for the hike. Don't worry, cable cars to the summit are also available. The town centre can be a bit touristy, but don’t let that deter you. The real charm of Sapa lies in its mountains and the rice fields still farmed by the hill tribes, as they have been doing so for centuries.

Rounding it up

That's the full picture for getting from Hanoi to Sapa, roughly 253 kilometres (157 miles) apart. In all, there are 4 ways to make the trip. The cheapest fare is $9.20 (242,000 VND). The quickest trip takes 4h 45m.

Prices and timetables change, so it's worth a quick check before you travel. Have a question, or travelled this route recently? Ask the community below and we'll do our best to help.

Frequently Asked Questions

What is the distance from Hanoi to Sapa?

The distance from Hanoi to Sapa is 253 kilometres (157 miles).

What is the fastest way to get from Hanoi to Sapa?

Journey times from Hanoi to Sapa overlap: bus 4h 55m - 6h 50m, minivan 4h 45m - 6h, train 8h 40m - 8h 50m, private transfer 5h 30m - 6h. Depending on the departure, no single option is always the fastest.

What is the cheapest way to get from Hanoi to Sapa?

The cheapest way to get from Hanoi to Sapa is by bus with ticket costs starting from 242,000 VND.

What is the best way to get from Hanoi to Sapa?

We recommend travelling by train from Hanoi to Sapa. A direct bus is also an option, but buses only go by day or arrive in the middle of the night. This means you still need to book an accommodation when arriving in Sapa. Booking the train will save you a night on accommodation and won't waste your valuable daytime.

Does Sapa have its own train station?

Sapa is a little mountain village that doesn't have a railway station. Luckily, the nearby town Lao Cai has a railway station that connects directly with Sapa. From here it's only a 45-minute van ride to Sapa.

How long does it take to travel from Hanoi to Sa Pa?

The journey from Hanoi to Sapa takes about 9 hours by train (including a 45-minute van ride). The journey by bus takes about 6 hours.

Where can I book my tickets?

It's best to book your tickets online beforehand for guaranteed seats. The Hanoi to Sapa route can get very busy, and you don't want to arrive at the train or bus station with tickets for your desired trip already sold out.

About the Authors

Ela
Ela

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Ela is a storyteller, content producer, solo traveller and a mermaid-in-training. When she's not in front of her laptop, you will find her barefoot and living her best tan on some island in the Philippines. Or exploring the depths of its seas as a budding freediver. An island girl at heart, she'll be happy anywhere there is sea, sand, sun and coffee.

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Founder & Trip Planning Expert

Based in Bali, Maarten's passion for travel is undeniable. In 2016, he decided to quit his job as a stock analyst and started doing what he always dreamed of: travelling through South East Asia and helping other people plan their trips. When he is not working on Gecko Routes, you'll find him surfing in the ocean or exploring the best gems of Indonesia.

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